Showing posts with label exits. Show all posts
Showing posts with label exits. Show all posts

Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Trading, GPS navigation and mates

I have a mate, a really good friend.

I rely on GPS navigation systems when I drive around the city. I figure that, even though there may be a quicker way, on average, I am better off with a good navigator. My mate (call him Peter) detests sat nav systems – he knows the city exceptionally well and the nav system is pretty well nearly always "wrong".

Peter decides that he wants to trade, wants to make some easy money. The managed funds he holds are doing ok but he is sure that he can do better. So he comes to me. I know that it is not as easy to show someone how to trade so I give him a list of things that he has to do – set up a brokerage account, get a data feed, buy software, work out how much money he wants to use. I want him to think about how much effort is involved. This takes him around 18 months to set up since he is very nervous about jumping into the market and also has very limited computer skills (his wife is much more comfortable with computers).

I give Peter a system, as well as a list of simulated trades that the system would have made over the last 5 - 10 years. I suggest that he studies these past trades to see how the system performed, what it’s weaknesses and strengths are, to get a feel for the system. I am very conscious that this is unlikely to happen. Paper trading is very hard. The pull of the markets, the excitement making that first trade is far too strong to waste time understanding what could happen and how the system behaves.

As usual, after waiting for some years before he can gather the courage to face the markets , the market struggles and Peter loses a little bit of money. But soon he falls into a rhythm and seems to be following the system quite well. He even wings a couple of trades because he believes that he is getting a feel for the markets.

Then the market has a bit of a downturn and Peter, who has been trading quite well for around 18 months thinks that he can improve the system by ignoring the sell signals, much like he ignores a satnav system. For a few trades he waits a few weeks and then gets out a little better then acting immediately on the signal.

But then he ignores the sell on CHC. This is not the only sell signal ignored, there are a couple of others, but this one illustrates the point nicely – none of them have recovered yet. Instead of getting out at around $2.50 back in December 2007 he holds it.



It’s early February and Peter isn’t looking too happy. I ask him how the trading is going.
“I don’t want to look” he tells me.
Over a couple of days I find out about CHC and another trade that have gone seriously wrong.
“What should I do? What would you do?”
“I would have sold CHC back when the signal was given.” I tell him. “If I did somehow ‘forget’ to act on a signal then I would get out as soon as I realised my mistake. I would sell immediately and move on.”

I am in a risky position. It is just as likely that as soon as the stock is sold it rebounds back above a $2 and Peter is cursing acting on my system based advice and believing that his judgement is better than any system. So I make sure that he understands it’s his decision, he is outside the system and I really have no special knowledge of what might happen to this stock over the next few months. He is navigating blind in a city where roads are built, moved and destroyed every day. In this sort of city a well thought out strategy is required if you want to get to your destination.

This is a true story and I take the following from it;
1. If you are going to trade a system then trade the system, don’t try to beat or “improve” the system on the fly.
2. Believing that you have some special, innate ability, some “gut feel” for the markets is a seriously delusional state of mind. Sure you can be lucky some of the time, but luck tends to run out the more it is relied on.
3. Taking a loss is hard for many people. We are not brought up to take losses. Trading is not a natural activity for humans to undertake.
4. Some people seem to be able to follow a system as easily as they breathe. They don’t question, they don’t try to beat it, and they just follow the signals and move on. For others it is not that easy!
5. Don’t look back – always move forward. What could have been is irrelevant. Peter would always say things like “if I had held it longer it would have recovered.”
6. We tend to see what we want to see. It is easy to find examples that validate our beliefs about the market and ignore the trades that don’t.
7. Some people are not suited to trading a system, or trading in general. They should go for managed funds or use a blue chip buy and hold approach.
8. It is much better to learn from another’s experience than to be the guinea pig yourself. Experience is the cruellest teacher when it comes to trading.

Do we really believe that we are, without any training, strategy or insider knowledge, natural born traders? Or do we just try to sway the probabilities in our favour and hang on for the ride?

stevo

Thursday, November 08, 2007

Yilgarn Mining exit


YML is a trade I exited this week. This one is outside the All Ords stocks, something that I do from time to time if there is enough turnover.

This one could easily move 10% in a week, and sometimes more than this in a day. For those that think they could trade it short term best of luck! I was in it for 9 weeks.

stevo

Friday, August 10, 2007

JBH - goodbye


Another exit earlier this week. The system above was one I developed for slower moving stocks like QBE and WOW.

I was hoping that the market would stay reasonably calm this week since I am heading for a tropical island for a week - work related of course. It looks like I will have to place some sell orders next week after the DOW dropped 387 points last night.

stevo

Thursday, May 10, 2007

Small Caps Rule! (and another sell)



Out of Oakton on a profit exit (140% gain) - but it doesn't appear to be slowing down.

The Small Ords index has outperformed the All Ords by around 10% over the last year. Many people focus on stocks they know, many of them in the top 100. The biggest gains are in stocks outside the top 100 (ASX100) - those stocks we probably haven't heard of until they pop up in a scan of the entire market.

Stevo

Saturday, May 05, 2007

System design, discretion and a load of fertiliser

When I designed one of the systems that I trade today back in 2002 / 2003 I used data from 1996 to 2002 when backtesting. One aspect of the system includes a profit exit - an exit that is triggers when the price moves up very fast. Incitec (IPL) did this not long after I bought it and the exit was triggered as shown by the $30.40 sell signal on the chart below.

When I developed the system I tested with and without the profit exit, and the equity curve was a little smoother with the exit than without, but there wasn't a lot in it.

The exit rarely triggers so I have been using some discretion. I didn't take the exit signal on IPL above. In this example it paid off. It is possible that this aspect of the system could be dropped altogether, but I will leave it in for the moment. A bull market is not the best time to take profits. The profit exit might be more useful in a less bullish envirnment - like 2000 through to 2002.

I bought into IPL at $26 (I must have been busy that week since it opened at $25.75) Now it is the biggest % and dollar winner in my Super fund portfolio - up 103%. The trailing exit is still valid. It does surprise me that a fertiliser company can perform so well! Who buys fertiliser in a drought? I guess I should stick to trading my systems and leave the fundamentals to those that understand them.

I have another profit exit signal for this weekend. I don't know how discretionary traders cope with all the decisions that would have to make.

Stevo

Tuesday, April 03, 2007

Sun(land) sets!



I exited Sunland (SDG) yesterday for a 48% profit.

I held it for just over a year - as shown by the little yellow dot on the chart a couple of weeks back. The one year target isn't a big deal since I trade in a company, but at least it was a decent length trade.

Friday, March 02, 2007

SFH trade exit



This one was in my super fund. I exited last week for a 60% profit. The system could do with a little work since I think I found a minor bug in the position sizing approach whilst using Amibroker's Bar Replay feature.

I have 2 portfolios. I trade using a company and I also trade a SMSF with 4 members. In my company I have only made one transaction, the MBP sell below, this year. The super fund has been a little more active lately. I only report on my investment company performance on this blog.

I noticed the media beat-up on the recent "market crash". I have been a little busy lately. Since I have a weekly system don't even need to watch the markets mid week. I find that the best thing to do is not to watch the market more than I need to and ignore the media reports.

Stevo

Thursday, February 22, 2007

MBP trade - talk about "lucky"



I bought into MBP on a signal last November. Fortunately an exit was triggered and I got out a week ago with a small gain (4%) It plummetted over 70%! I am glad I follow those stops.

Stevo

Saturday, February 17, 2007

SDG weekly chart



Sunland chart - exits are based on the EOW close price. Chart is for the ReefCap forum. You will notice that I am having a bit of fun with cloudcharts.
http://lightning.he.net/cgi-bin/suid/~reefcap/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000310

Tuesday, January 23, 2007

Don't look back!

Whatever you do don't look back - always look to the next trade, or the next 1000 trades.

I sold CBH at 63.5 - 64 cents just after the open on Monday. The exit only just triggered, 0.5 cents higher and I wouldn't get the exit. Another trader I know spoke to me after the close; "did you see CBH. It closed at 71 cents!"

Since I trade a weekly system my rules allow me to sell anytime I like in the week, although my strong preference is to get out early. So if I had held them another day I might have made substantially more money. My super fund bought in at 46 cents for a return of around 38%.

I have a rule - once the trade is done I remove the stock from my watch-list and put the chart in the completed trades list. I don't follow the stock after I sell it.

I told him it's past history. It doesn't matter what CBH closed at if I am not holding them. Just move on, make the next trade and don't look back. There are other trades and other opportunities. If I delay the trade next time hoping for a better exit it is just as likely to go against me.